Arctic Bay

After playing with and against Mew a while, I found that he isn't hardly as intimidating as made out to be. Yes, he is unpredictable and yes, he's got OK stats, but he ain't gonna overcentralize the game anytime soon.

Mew, after all, doesn't have any special typing. Jirachi brings that LOVEABLE defensive typing to the table, and is a great team supporter, who also brings a good special threat. Celebi is about as good of a supporter/staller its gonna get, but has those weaks. And Mew? I consider Mew to be the ULTIMATE "Jack of all trades, Master of none", due to the fact that he can't really abuse all those moves due to the lack of moveslots. Make him defensively and he ain't gonna touch anything. Make him offensive and the proper walls can stop him dead. Now sure, the full verdict on Mew will be after the practice tournaments to be held soon, but I can't see it being TOO powerful. If left in OU he will be a force to watch out for but definitely not unovercomeable. (Is that even a word?)

Now look at Blissey. What does it do? Bingo. It forces nearly every special sweeper to have Explosion or FPunch, or renders them useless (I'm looking at you Kingdra). While Physical sweepers can whittle down Skarmory to some degree, special sweepers can't do the same to Blissey.

And even Physical sweepers can be stopped to some degree. For example, I had a Granbull in an UU team, and OFCOURSE OU's challenged me. All fine and well, but if that Granbull with MAX attack and ADAMANT nature launches a STAB Return, and Blissey survives easily, you KNOW something VERY unfair is going on here.

That is why I find Blissey to be too unbalanced for the game. Now go ahead all you veteran players, flame me all you want and say "Its easily counterable", but well, its easier to counter Ho-Oh with an OU team as it is to stop Blissey. I'm not COMPARING the two, I'm just saying. Blissey overcentralizes the game too much, really.

Oh and please, let this stay a somewhat adult discussion. No needless flames like "NO U NUB BLISS ISNT TO POWERFUL" or anything like that, but lets hear it why you'd think Bliss SHOULD or SHOULDN'T get the boot.

{17:19:25} <Tunz> Hi
{17:19:28} <Mekkah> why are we discussing that all in #smogon anyway
{17:19:31} <Tunz> What about Mew in RSE?
{17:19:34} * chaos|away sets mode: +l 67
{17:19:37} <Tunz> (OU)
{17:19:42} <Mekkah> what about kittens in the microwave
{17:19:50} <Tunz> lol
{17:19:56} <Mekkah> mew in adv should be passable
{17:19:58} <Tunz> It's Uber or OU? °_°
{17:19:58} <Mekkah> I've used it for ages
{17:20:02} <Mekkah> though 6 on one team
{17:20:08} <Mekkah> so my view is a little percepted
{17:20:18} <Tunz> yah, but after the test...
{17:20:18} <Mekkah> still mew's typing is dick
{17:20:31} <Mekkah> and his effective movepool not so much bigger than tyranitar and gengar
{17:20:37} <Mekkah> I haven't seen how the tests went
{17:20:44} <sonicandfffan> Mew has too many movepools to be viable
{17:20:51} <Mekkah> mew has only one movepool
{17:20:52} <Forsety> I just remember
{17:20:59} <Tunz> Ok, Transform banned.
{17:20:59} <sonicandfffan> movesets, even
{17:21:01} <sonicandfffan> >_>
{17:21:02} <Forsety> Mew being awesome in all gens
{17:21:09} <Forsety> ridiculously diverse
{17:21:16} <sonicandfffan> Who the hell would want to use transform anyway?
{17:21:18} <sonicandfffan> >_>
{17:21:23} <Mekkah> sorry sonicandfffan but it seems a good movepool is not good enough to be uber!
{17:21:24} <Lupo> gimmick
{17:21:26} <Tunz> Tyranitar is also good as Mixed, Special and Physical sweeper. °_°
{17:21:29} <Mekkah> transform is bugged on nb
{17:21:43} <Mekkah> it turns you into an over-the-caps eved copy of the opponent
{17:21:49} <Voodoo> what's with the °_° icons
{17:21:58} * BoB is away for: bbl
{17:22:00} <Mekkah> ~_`
{17:22:01} <sonicandfffan> ¬_¬
{17:22:24} <sonicandfffan> Mew has the stats to complement those movepools
{17:22:24} <sonicandfffan> movesets*
{17:22:32} <Tunz> And then, we can't know how the test has gone?
{17:22:47} <Tunz> I looked on the community but i couldn't find any topic.
{17:23:08} <Lupo> but his stats don't really have any standouts
{17:23:08} <Voodoo> also hi mekkah
{17:23:08} <sonicandfffan> No, because they're all fucking good
{17:23:08} <Lupo> good, but not outstanding
{17:23:13} <Tunz> And then, this "unban" could be considered in DP too?
{17:23:22} <Forsety> Mekkah
{17:23:27} <Forsety> That Hypno analysis
{17:23:30} <Forsety> almost all the sets
{17:23:35} <Tunz> (sorry for my awful english. -_-)
{17:23:37} <Forsety> have a move you can't obtain in game on them
{17:23:53} <Forsety> Mainly Wish/BP
{17:23:59} <sonicandfffan> Celebi has ass typing and Jirachi only has a few movesets
{17:23:59} <Voodoo> also hi mekkah
{17:23:59} <Lupo> mew would be a bp team stable if unbanned in dp
{17:24:59} <Tunz> I think... in DP you can use Nasty Plot Azelf, why not Mew?
{17:25:06} <Convalescence> Hmm... and I thought Ninjask was gonna be the bp team staple...
{17:25:07} <Tunz> But in RSE...
{17:25:39} <Forsety> Because Azelf is faster
{17:25:43} <Forsety> and stronger
{17:25:51} <Forsety> Mew is just sturdier
{17:25:54} <Alper> and brittler
{17:26:07} <Forsety> and cuter
{17:26:11} <Tunz> Lol, lol, i would say: in DP Mew isn't Uber because Azelf is more powerful.
{17:26:20} <Alper> no azelf looks fucking terrible
{17:26:21} <Tunz> But in RSE, it's different
{17:26:32} <Alper> worst legend trio introduced :(
{17:26:37} <Voodoo> god i'm lagging
{17:26:37} <sonicandfffan> Mew could also be a choice specs staple, a choice band staple, a mixed sweeper staple, a tank staple, an annoyer staple etc.
{17:26:37} <sonicandfffan> or a stat upping ph/sp sweeper staple
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{17:26:37} <Voodoo> what are staples
{17:26:37} <m0nkfish> small metallic things
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{17:26:37} <m0nkfish> you put them in papers to keep it together
{17:26:37} <sonicandfffan> Those little metal things used to hold paper together
{17:26:40} <Voodoo> i know somebody will answer that
{17:26:42} <Alper> they could have made uh, mothim a legendary
{17:26:45} <Alper> that'd be good
{17:26:55} <Forsety> Mothim a legendary
{17:26:59} <Forsety> would be freakin awesome
{17:27:04} * chaos|away sets mode: +l 65
{17:27:09} <Forsety> HERE COMES MOTHRA!
{17:27:29} <Voodoo> i hate monkfish
{17:27:29} <m0nkfish> ;_;
{17:27:29} <Voodoo> i hate all people in the world
{17:27:29} <Voodoo> i'm emo
{17:27:29} <m0nkfish> that is not emo
{17:27:29} <sonicandfffan> Staple = standard
{17:27:33} <Tunz> drifblim rulez. HypnoMISS+WoW+Explosion. *ç*
{17:27:41} <Alper> stable = horse hotel
{17:28:02} <Alper> so guys
{17:28:10} <Alper> ggfan evolved into fffan?
{17:28:32} <m0nkfish> emo is hating your parents
{17:28:32} <sonicandfffan> Basically, mew would be one of the top pokemon for every category of roles
{17:28:32} <sonicandfffan> Which is kinda why he was banned in the first place
{17:28:32} <Voodoo> emo is having a long hair that can cover your face, wearing a black shirt, black jeans, and using a pair of converse shoe
{17:28:38} <Tunz> (ok, i'm going to have a look in the community for results of test, thanks for infos)
{17:28:39} <Tunz> Bye